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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 08/29/2013 08:53 AM, Carlos Martín
      Sánchez wrote:<br>
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          <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 4:18 PM,
            Svancara, Randall <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                  I read the documentation for Open Nebula.  I
                  understand that raw disks with KVM do not support
                  snapshots (ok, I understand this is a technical
                  limitation and I am migrating to qcow)<br>
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                  However if I go to the Virtual Machines, click on the
                  virtual machine and then select the storage tab, there
                  is an option for snapshot. 
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                  Here is where I believe the documentation falls apart
                  for this tool.  What is the difference between
                  snapshots in the snapshot tab and snapshot under
                  storage.</div>
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            <div>The VM guide has two sections, one for disk snapshots
              [1], and another for system snapshots [2]</div>
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                    Also if I attempt to use the snapshot under storage,
                  I see this rather vague error:<br>
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                    Error</h1>
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                    Cannot use selected DISK. The DISK 0 is already
                    going to be saved.<br>
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                  I have to make this product available for less
                  technical users.  So first of all, what does this even
                  mean.  Second of all, is there any way to provide a
                  more intuitive error message???  I do not see anywhere
                  in the interface where there is something about DISK 0
                  is going to be saved or a status of a scheduled job. 
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            <div>Out of context, it is a vague error message. But to get
              this message, you have to perform a disk snapshot, and the
              wizard contains a tooltip explaining what it will do:</div>
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    I will have to dig through the other error logs to provide this
    context.  Maybe qcow2 is a better format for disks???  <br>
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              <div>Sets the specified VM disk to be saved in a new
                Image.</div>
              <div>Deferred: The Image is created immediately, but the
                contents are saved only if the VM is shut down
                gracefully (i.e., using Shutdown; not Delete)</div>
              <div>Hot: The Image will be saved immediately.</div>
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            <div>The Storage disk table also contains a "save as"
              column, that after a disk snapshot operation is filled
              with that new Image's ID.</div>
            <div>So, it basically means that you cannot save the disk in
              a new Image, because the disk is already going to be
              saved...</div>
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            <div>The best way to simplify OpenNebula for less technical
              users is to cut down the number of features exposed to
              them.</div>
            <div>We allow this via Sunstone views, take a look at the
              cloud view [3].</div>
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            <div>Regards <br>
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            <div>[1] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://opennebula.org/documentation:rel4.2:vm_guide_2#disk_snapshoting">http://opennebula.org/documentation:rel4.2:vm_guide_2#disk_snapshoting</a><br>
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            <div>[2] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://opennebula.org/documentation:rel4.2:vm_guide_2#snapshotting">http://opennebula.org/documentation:rel4.2:vm_guide_2#snapshotting</a><br>
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            <div>[3] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="http://opennebula.org/documentation:rel4.2:suns_views#cloud_view">http://opennebula.org/documentation:rel4.2:suns_views#cloud_view</a><br>
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                <div dir="ltr">--<br>
                  Join us at <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="http://opennebulaconf.com/" target="_blank">OpenNebulaConf2013</a> in
                  Berlin, 24-26 September, 2013<br>
                  --
                  <div>Carlos Martín, MSc<br>
                    Project Engineer<br>
                    OpenNebula - The Open-source Solution for Data
                    Center Virtualization
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