[one-users] 回复: Re: application integration (service publishing) in OpenNebula?

[shamaya]

Hi,Biro

You raised many questions. Some are openNebula specific and others seems general to all cloud computing environments. 

>As I understand so far, OpenNebula has two types of users: the administrator, who >basically has control over "everything", and the users, who can authenticate >securely, instantiate some VM's, and do the work necessary for them. My question: can >OpenNebula have another "layer" of users, some kind of "end-users"? What I mean is: >suppose I, as a user of OpenNebula, using my created VM's, create a Web Service, >which I publish on the Internet. Can anyone access this (someone who has no idea >about the private cloud, someone who is simply accessing the URL), and by this way >uses my Web Service (created on the VM's by the means of OpenNebula), so, basically, >uses OpenNebula "remotely" (without knowing it)? Or this just doesn't make sense, >since the whole idea of a private cloud is not to provide/publish information and >services to the outside world, and this is not even possible since the virtual >context?

To my understanding, this is a general question for all clouds. A cloud must have users to manage and maintain the cloud itself(cloud infrastructure), such users ard administrators. A cloud should also have cloud customers to which the cloud provide services(e.g. VMs, storages). Such users are cloud users who can login into the cloud and use cloud provided resources. The last kind of users are application users who are the customers of your applications. OpenNebula cann't know such users in advance, so it doesn't provide any mechanism to support this kinds of users.
(These are just my personal understanding!)


>Are the most important reasons for installing OpenNebula the performance needs? Is >there any other reason because of which I may want to install it, besides the fact >that I might need multiple VM's (that I can manage) to perform a task (and to achieve >platform interoperability)? I mean this has be the main point of it, right?

The main reason for using cloud is have many characters: on-demond self service, improving physical server utilization and so on. you can refer to this cloud definition to have a deeper understanding:
http://csrc.nist.gov/groups/SNS/cloud-computing/index.html 

>When the load reaches its maximum (on a task which a user tries to perform on OpenNebula VM's), are new >VM's created automatically (it the physical resources allow this) to support the performace needs? Or the only >way of creating VM's is the "manual" one?

untial now, OpenNebula can't do such job automatically, but you may implement such function based on it. (in fact Amazon EC2 have implemented such functions).


>Can OpenNebula be installed on any type of physical network, or does it have some special needs? Suppose I >have an intranet in a company environment, with more interconnected physical machine that I'm actually going to >use, does this change anything? Do I have to set up a separate physical network for the physical machines that I>'m planning to include in the private cloud?

OpenNebula can installed  smothly to ethernet physical networks (I am not sure exactly about other types of network).


Sha
2011-12-15



shamaya



发件人: biro lehel <lehel.biro at yahoo.com>
发送时间: 2011-12-15 16:54
主 题: Re: [one-users] application integration (service publishing) in OpenNebula?
收件人: users at lists.opennebula.org



Hello Fabian. Thanks again for your reply. I really appreciate you for taking the time.

I read what you wrote a couple of times, and (I think) it helped me to clarify some things. But still, I have a few questions and issues for which I am looking for a clear answer. I put them in bullets:


As I understand so far, OpenNebula has two types of users: the administrator, who basically has control over "everything", and the users, who can authenticate securely, instantiate some VM's, and do the work necessary for them. My question: can OpenNebula have another "layer" of users, some kind of "end-users"? What I mean is: suppose I, as a user of OpenNebula, using my created VM's, create a Web Service, which I publish on the Internet. Can anyone access this (someone who has no idea about the private cloud, someone who is simply accessing the URL), and by this way uses my Web Service (created on the VM's by the means of OpenNebula), so, basically, uses OpenNebula "remotely" (without knowing it)? Or this just doesn't make sense, since the whole idea of a private cloud is not to provide/publish information and services to the outside world, and this is not even possible since the virtual context?
Are the most important reasons for installing OpenNebula the performance needs? Is there any other reason because of which I may want to install it, besides the fact that I might need multiple VM's (that I can manage) to perform a task (and to achieve platform interoperability)? I mean this has be the main point of it, right?
When the load reaches its maximum (on a task which a user tries to perform on OpenNebula VM's), are new VM's created automatically (it the physical resources allow this) to support the performace needs? Or the only way of creating VM's is the "manual" one?
Can OpenNebula be installed on any type of physical network, or does it have some special needs? Suppose I have an intranet in a company environment, with more interconnected physical machine that I'm actually going to use, does this change anything? Do I have to set up a separate physical network for the physical machines that I'm planning to include in the private cloud?



That's it for now, I don't want to ask for too much information all at once.:) I really hope that these questions are easy-to-answer for a professional, and will not take much time (for you Fabian, or for anyone else who thinks that can help me).

Thank you, and waiting for your response,
Biro Lehel.


--- On Sun, 12/11/11, Fabian Wenk <fabian at wenks.ch> wrote:


From: Fabian Wenk <fabian at wenks.ch>
Subject: Re: [one-users] application integration (service publishing) in OpenNebula?
To: users at lists.opennebula.org
Date: Sunday, December 11, 2011, 7:04 PM


Hello Lehel

On 11.12.2011 14:33, biro lehel wrote:
> what I've been referring to. I will have OpenNebula set up,
> and (as common sense would tell) I will have my application
> installed on the created VM's. My question only referred to:
> how can I install an application on these VM's (should I only
> just copy it, or is it more complex than this), or stuff like:

Look at the VM like at any other physical computer. It is just a container (eg. a virtual computer) where you can install the OS of your choice. The installation of your application inside the OS of your VM needs to be done the same as you would do it on a physical computer. But the installation of the OS in the VM needs to be done first. See my recent posting "Re: Creating virtual machines from scratch" [1] to this mailing list.

  [1] http://lists.opennebula.org/pipermail/users-opennebula.org/2011-December/007156.html

Look at an OpenNeubla cluster / cloud like on an additional abstraction layer between a physical computer and your OS installation.

An example:
If you have 3 computers, you can install on each one the OS of your choice and run it, but then you have only 3 concurrent running OS installation available. With OpenNebula you need to install Linux on all 3 computers (1x front-end and 2x cluster nodes). The cluster nodes also need to support some kind of hypervisor (eg. KVM or XEN). Then you install OpenNebula on the front-end and then adjust the configuration for the shared file systems to be used by the cluster nodes. Then you can create VMs (virtual machines / virtual computers) and deploy them through the front-end (with Sunstone you also have a web GUI). Now you can create as many VMs as the two cluster nodes can support (depending on CPU power an available memory). You even can stop or terminate VMs and reuse them (with persistent image) at a later time.

> can the different tiers of the application (interface,
> business logic, and data repository) be on different VM's, but

Sure, they can.

> most importantly: how can an end-user (not the administrator,
> but a potencial client) use the application? Or there is no
> such thing as the "end-user / client" concept in OpenNebula,
> since the only user is the administrator who has control over
> the infrastructure? If OpenNebula provides IaaS support, I

In OpenNebula the administrator has full control over the running VMs, eg. he can stop (pause), resume or even shutdown / destroy them. OpenNebula also knows users, which eg. could create their own VMs (with their choice of OS installation) or can use pre-created shared system image to boot a VM. But as far as I know, out of the box OpenNebula is not able to provide virtualization on application level. But it has a very open and flexible design and you should be able to customize it to your needs, eg. with contextualization.

> suppose this means that he does not have control over the
> application only as a service, but rather he, as the admin,
> has control over the whole "physical" application?

What do you understand as "physical" application?

OpenNebula controls the distribution and monitoring of the VMs. It will place a newly created VM on a cluster node which has the requested requirements and resources available. It also manages all the system images (persistent and public / shared) and network interfaces (done through bridges) which the VMs need to run.


bye
Fabian
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